Add "Hypothesis" to Fact "Proof" option list

I would like to add the option “Hypothesis” or “Theory” to the “Proof” options for individual facts. Currently, the options are either nothing, “Proven,” “Disproven,” or “Disputed.” My goal is always to find good sources for my “facts” but oftentimes, it is a work-in-progress and I enter individuals and “facts” into RM as I part of the research process. Of course, lack of any sourcing is indication that it is work-in-process, but I’d like something more definitive – especially as I wade through records for individuals with the same names, and more. Sometimes, info entered without a source is more of a placeholder until I can get to looking into the information further, in which case the blank “proof” is sufficient; but other times, I’m literally making an hypothesis about an individual/fact and I’d like a way to designate it as such.

Would anyone else find this helpful?

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…to be clear, sometimes I have a lot of sources for a fact and it still remains an hypothesis that is neither proven, disputed, or disproved.

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Agreed on sometimes none of the above applies
Not sure what it should be called to appease everyone “Needs More Research” or such – but to you make a good point - do not want to leave blank – maybe “Unclear”

Confirming the request for more Proof settings has been reported to development.

Personally, I would use the Task icon to alert me to the status of the fact when I’m not able to determine one of the standards of Proven, Disproven or Disputed. Showing in this cases more research is needed to make a determination. Otherwise, to me disputed is what I would use when there is any question on its level of proof.

Thank you. I have only played around with “Tasks” – and while I can see its value at the fact level, I’d prefer to use tasks at a more general, individual level. Otherwise, I find that the task list starts to overwhelm me and create a sense of stress that I’d rather not add to my genealogy obsession. :slightly_smiling_face: Maybe I’ll talk myself back into using it again at some point, but for now, I will let my “big picture” tasks drive my research and look forward to some other visual clue to the fact “proof.”

“Disputed” has the subtext of conflict or disagreement. “Hypothesis” has a different subtext, one of speculation or uncertainty but not necessarily disagreement.

Personally, I think Teri’s request is good, but maybe doesn’t go far enough. I think it would be great if a list like this could be user-defined, similar to how it’s possible to add to the fact types list, add role types, etc. Making it flexible like that would allow the software code to change only once and cover any future list addition requests.

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I tried to determine if Proven, Disproven and Disputed are a part of some sort of genealogical standard. The best I can tell, they are not. But whether they are part of a standard or not, I think this feature of RM is very weak and needs improvement.

For me, the biggest weakness is the use of the word Proof. I come from a science and math background, where the following is a common joke: Proof is for mathematics and alcohol. In other words, math does proof, but science doesn’t do proof. If science ever claims proof, it’s almost certainly bad science. I don’t think genealogy does proof, either. A mathematical proof is an absolute that no scientific evidence or genealogical evidence can ever match.

There actually is a standard called the Genealogical Proof Standard. I don’t think it’s a very good standard, anyway. But I find the name of the standard to be very off-putting because only math does proof. Instead, I think we should be talking about the evidence and the quality of evidence. And even beyond that, I think we should be talking about analysis and the quality of the analysis. That’s because it’s often the case that no one piece of evidence answers a genealogical question by itself, no matter how credible is the evidence. Rather, several pieces of evidence have to be analyzed together in order come to conclusions that answer genealogical questions.

That being said, if RM supported evidence quality properly, I think the evidence quality indicators should be searchable and should able to be used for making groups and for color coding. If so, then they could be managed in a practical fashion. I do agree than RM needs to support more adjectives to describe the quality of evidence. But I’m not sure I see the point unless RM also supports the ability to manage the quality of evidence indicators. And by that, I mean the ability to search, report, make groups, and color code on the basis of quality of evidence indicators.

I don’t really see how RM’s Tasks feature fits into this picture. For example, how could I ever use the Tasks feature to create a list of my ancestors for whom I don’t have good quality evidence for their date of birth. That would be easy in RM if RM supported the needed adjectives for quality of evidence and if RM supported the needed tools for managing those adjectives. I do some of this sort of thing now by introducing dummy facts into my database. By dummy facts, I mean facts that never appear in narrative reports or Web sites I create nor in GEDCOM I create. But I can search the dummy facts and make groups on the dummy facts and so forth.

I don’t see a good way to indicate the analysis of the evidence in RM. That’s one I’ve been thinking about for a long time. Such analysis is of necessity a lot of text along with images and transcriptions of the evidence. That seems like a better fit for Microsoft Word to me than it is a fit for RM.

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All points well taken. Generally, I assume the field as it exists now is to enable us to make a quality decision on the combination of fact and source. Which I’m okay with. Generally speaking. But I still need something to remind me when I’m spit-balling because inevitably, I’ll enter a theory and get called away from my project to cook dinner or some other task and then need to remember where I left off. And by that, I don’t just mean the specific task, I mean my thought-process.

What I really need is an easy way to identify that a person, persons, or family unit that I hypothesize might belong in my tree without having to create a completely different tree.

I’m excited to see if adding HYPOTHESIS (or THEORY) to the existing “proof” options will give me the satisfaction and mental organization I am craving.

I concur. Something like Genealogical Evidentiary Standard would be more suitable. But that whole topic is outside of RM’s control.

Big concur! In fact, color coding by proof value was a fairly recent feature request from @EmmaHP. Fact Colour Coding

Meta data tagging. If people, facts, sources, citations, media etc etc supported meta data tagging (and the reporting thereof), you could create hypothetical items and tag them to give them that distinction.

Side note, you can use the “floating person” concept you add people within the database that aren’t directly connected. I have several such people that I’m researching in my tree.

Added to RM10 - Search on proof for facts (and Any fact). That would include being able to create groups and color-code based on the proof setting.

Does that mean it already has been added to RM10, or that it has been added to the request list? If it’s already there, I can’t find it.

It’s under criteria search.


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Aha! I missed it because I had to scroll for it. It’s not in the list you initially see. I think that prior to its inclusion, I could see all the options without scrolling. Also, it’s not in the RM10 announcement Web page and it’s not in the RM 10 video that’s referenced.

I did check in RM10 before I posted my question, and I didn’t see it. I just didn’t notice the need to scroll, and that’s a very easy thing to miss. It’s an interesting new feature, but I think it needs much better visibility. And the list of adjectives needs to be expanded.

It will probably never happen, but I think the word “proof” also needs to be replaced by “evidence” in addition to expanding the list of adjectives.

I concur with thejerrybryan that we are talking about evidence rather than proof. More than once I have had what I believed to prove family relationships, only to later learn that I and others had misinterpreted the so called perfect source. Even vital records can be confusioning or just plain wrong.

Whether “Proof” or “Evidence” – I still would like to see an option for “Hypothesis” be added to the drop-down.

Proof and evidence are synonymous in this context. Rootsmagic is already quite correct in the usage. Just because some people choose to read their own meaning into it, that isn’t going to change reality.

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Or maybe S.W.A.G. (yes it was a difficult research day yesterday but several did work out)

It’s listed on the RM10 Help “What’s New” page.

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