Facts included in a gedcom

I would like to know exactly what facts are included in a gedcom. Like all facts included in rm are included in a gedcom. If i make a fact will it be included. How about domecile, residents etc. what version does rm9 support?

As long as you haven’t uncheck on the Fact Type level to exclude the fact from GEDCOM they should all be included.

There are RM specific details that are exported in a gedcom file but don’t always get imported in the manner you like. I know that I always uncheck the specific details when I click for what to include in the dialog box. If you search on Google, you can find some specifics.

I looked for that check list. I do not see specific facts. I made a gedcom to find specific facts and there is none. So i can assume they all go. Reading the latest on gedcom is an adventure.

RM9 exports VERS 5.5.1 GEDCOM. Each and every Fact Type has a checkbox, whether built-in or custom, and it is always checkmarked for inclusion in GED (by default). You can selective uncheck each type for non-inclusion.

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I’m wondering if the “Associations” fact type also exports to Gedcom. “Associations” is listed under the Fact Types, but does not have the same setup type options as the other fact types so it doesn’t appear that it can / can’t be excluded. I think I’ve read somewhere that it is excluded from a Gedcom. Can someone confirm please.

While the specification does define the Association element, it is currently trapped inside RM.

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As i understand it. If it is checked for export does not mean it will be utilized at the other end. So you have to go to the fact list and select what you want exported. At the other end import you have to select the fact to be imported.

The FamilySearch GEDCOMv7 Specification shows suggested restructuring and expansion accompanied by the potential for further extension. If one searches for ‘asso’ or ‘role’, it seems to show the described implementation in the specification’s superstructure of the ASSO tag and it’s substructure elements such as the ROLE tag … as becoming more pronounced and integral in a somewhat wider range of areas for enumeration in documenting data for individuals and groupings.

Aside from the issues already mentioned, an overarching issue is that there is nothing like a “Fact Type Report” that lists all fact types where there is a row for each fact type and a column for each flag. That would make it much easier to see which fact types have each flag than needing to look at each fact type one at a time. Even better would be a screen like I’m describing that’s laid out in rows and columns. It’s easy to do in SQLite, but there is no such report or screen in RM itself.

Because Associations are excluded from GEDCOM, they are also excluded from Drag and Drop.

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I just have basic needs. I just want to know what is in a gedcom.having all those facts means nothing if the importer has no such need. I did learn a few things. Thanks

If the importer is some other program, that program, if it’s worth its salt, will not import (from a RootsMagic GEDCOM) anything it does not need, nor anything it cannot interpret (rejected data is recorded into a .LST file alongside the .GED file).

If you mean to reduce what fact-types others get when you share a RootsMagic GEDCOM with them, that’s where the individual checkmarking can be used.

Are you reading that GEDCOM in a text editor? Or are you importing it in another program? And if so, what is it?

I use Gramps as my main program, because it’s open source and speaks my language, and use RootsMagic for specific tasks, like connecting with Ancestry and FamilySearch, and finding hints on My Heritage.

I use a gedcom to update my tree on geneanet. I have no specific reason. I just wanted to understand more the ins and outs of a gedcom to tailor it to my needs. Also if all facts are being utilized on the other end. The answers to me would be they do not display all facts. So i will just streamline what i send and thereby making a gedcom smaller.

OK, I get it, and I can tell you that Geneanet has a much simpler database model than Gramps or RootsMagic, meaning that you may lose all sorts of data in the process, for instance when people have more than one parent family. You may have those, when you know the biological father of a person, and decide to create a legal parent family, and a biological one. You will probably lose associations too, and your citations will be converted to single lines showing the text that you can see as a footnote in Gramps or RootsMagic.

Most of these things are done behind the scenes, and in silence, but you may also find that some of your facts are converted to notes, so that you can still see them.

Sorry but having more than one parent family is impossible and something that i will never encounter. You must mean adopted parents and biological. If geneanet has a simple system then i can modify my gedcom to meet it. Besides i can think of 5 to 10 facts that are important. I live a simple life and try not confuse things like genealogy.

I have one woman in my tree who had 5 out of 7 children born out of wedlock, and for whom the biological fathers are known. And I connected all 5 to 2 families, one with the mother and the official father who legalized (or adopted) the child, and another for the mother and thereal father. And that is a legitimate use of Gramps, or RootsMagic, and supported by GEDCOM. And for all, Geneanet only shows a connection to the bilogical father.

If you don’t have that, life is much simpler indeed, but these are facts that are thrown away withiut notice, so I found it appropriate to inform you about them.

Did you have birth records showing the links. Did you contact geneanet about it. If they did not show maybe your missing something. I had a genealogist tell me it is all in the paper work. No paper work linking them means to me it is an assumption. DNA is not the definative answer. We still need papers.

I did not contact Geneanet, but I know how their software works. And I do have some paperwork, like documents from the Amsterdam archive, that list children with their official father, and letters from some who wrote who their real fathers were, if they knew.

And for four of them, I also have portraits that tell us a lot.

Anyway, the facts are all there in the GEDCOM, and some disappear on the site, and some are converted to notes. That’s just the way it is.