How can I create a group of people with webhints or is there a workaround?

Searching for an answer I found that:

I think the webhints are short time signs of current shown people. Result of a spontaneous select. There is no fact type or a characteristic to select them or search for.

But maybe there is a workaround (report,..) or a working methode that helps. That would be great if you could give me some tips. Thanks

I believe there is not a good solution right now with RM UI.
Even with Sqlite – not sure there is a good practical solution. There are API calls involved that trigger some of that.
That said something could potentially be done with a feature enhancement

Kevin

There really isn’t a workaround. RM has no record whatsoever of your hints, so there is nothing it can search. The hint status is maintained at the Web site for the hint provider, not in RM or elsewhere on your local computer.

There is really only one tip I can possibly think of to process hints in an organized fashion. First make a list of people for whom you want hints. A good way to make such a list would be to make a group of people for whom you want hints, but making a group is not the only way to make a list. A less automated way to make a list would just be to write it on a piece of paper.

Then work the list By “work the list”, I mean to display each person on the list in turn in either Pedigree View or Family View and process all the hints. You would also need some way to keep track of which people on the list you have completed. Again, this could be on a piece of paper, or you could mark the people somehow or other in RM.

The way I tend to do such things is to add a dummy fact to such people and I enter the status in the Description field of the dummy fact. That way, I can display the status as a column in People View and I can search or make groups or color code on the status. I have the dummy fact set not to be included in reports. Some users prefer using RM’s Tasks tool or something similar. I very much prefer the dummy fact approach because it so so much better integrated in with the rest of RM than is the Tasks tool.

No matter whether you track your progress on paper or with RM’s Task feature or with a dummy fact or with some other technique, this procedure is not foolproof. Sometimes WebHints simply do not appear on your RM screen even though they exist. And even after you complete the hints for a person, you might go back and look at the person a day later or a week later or a year later and they have new hints. You didn’t miss the hints the first time around, rather the new hints are truly new.

A variation on this theme might be to do a whole screen’s worth of people at a time as you work your list. So put somebody on your list into the primary position of Pedigree View or Family View and work everybody on screen. But I think this would be harder to keep track of who you had completed and who you hadn’t than doing it one person at a time.

The hints for each hint provider work differently from each other.

  • For Ancestry, they are recorded in your tree on Ancestry. If you delete your tree at Ancestry and reload it from RM, then all your previous hint status and history is gone.
  • For FamilySearch, they are recorded at FamilySearch but they are recorded for the whole world. You may see a new hint at FamilySearch that’s already approved even though you didn’t approve it. That’s because somebody else approved it. It’s not really a hint for you. It’s a hint for the whole world. So you may think you have already processed the hint when in fact you haven’t.
  • For MyHeritage, the process is a little cleaner. The hints are just for you and the the status is not tied to a tree that you maintain at MyHeritage. But the status is maintained at MyHeritage, not in RM or elsewhere on your local computer.
  • I don’t use FindMyPast, but I have played with it and and I believe the hints there work just like they do at MyHeritage.
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Thank you so much for your detailed considerations, which help me feel a bit more confident.

I primarily organize my family tree using groups to keep it from growing too large and to maintain control. I work with all ancestors, but especially with the earliest ancestors, the descendants of the first generation (siblings of the ancestors), and more distant family members, so I can easily place them in everyday life.

On FamilySearch, I regularly check the hints and link documents, but I also have this one group I’m researching, which I’m going through person by person, looking at the web hint for FamilySearch. All other web hints are deactivated; I’m only focusing on one provider at a time because I haven’t yet reached the point where I’ve captured the most important part.

Best regards from snowy Germany to the world, Ingo

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Are you sure? I have the impression MyHeritage handles hints the same way as Ancestry does. This means each hint and acceptance of the hint is specific to the tree at MyHeritage. So if you delete the tree, the hint history of acceptance is also deleted.

I don’t even have a tree at MyHeritage, and I get their hints just fine and it records my approvals and rejections just fine. I honestly don’t know how the processing is different if you do have a tree at MyHeritage. In that case, it might work more like it works at Ancestry. But I’m guessing it still works like it works for me, even if you do have a tree at MyHeritage. But as I said, I don’t know for sure how it works if you have a tree at MyHeritage. I only know for sure how it works if you don’t have a tree at MyHeritage.

Thats interesting. So one should distinguish several cases:

  1. Hints given in Rootsmagic. These are shown independant if one has MyHeritage own tree. They might behave like you mentioned.
  2. Hints on an own MyHeritage tree. These are all individual for each MyHeritage tree. They have no connection to the hints shown in Rootsmagic.

MyHeritage hints are not generated on a MH tree and sent to RM. They are generated from a hash of search terms that is sent to them when that person is displayed in RM. MH does record the search status, accepted or rejected, but it doesn’t keep if they belong to you or your database. It’s totally possible someone could send the same hash of search terms and work the hint before you. At least that’s my understanding.

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