I was seen already in the forum if it was possible to "Adding shared fact info to Groups"that this was ask, en seen that this was not possible, but it will be a very good option if this is added.. now you must ad additional bogus facts to auto ad this to a group.
in my case i have group for twins / triples / relegious marriage, civil mariages , Morganatic mariage e.d. so i hope this will be added to the development of rootsmagic.
Jan
There actually already is a kludgy way to add a shared fact to everybody in a group. But before I describe how to do it, I have to ask - why would you want to be able to do so?
There probably is a good reason, but I have a hard time thinking of one. What would be an example of a fact that would need to be shared with a group. And remember that it’s not really the fact that’s shared so much as it is a role for the fact. So what would be an example of a role that would need to be shared with a group? I’m not being argumentative. I’m truly curious. RM users are constantly finding clever ways to use the software that amaze em.
So here is the kludge. In the marking dialog when you are sharing a role, one of the options is to share based on a Saved Search. A Saved Search is very similar to a group in many ways, so you could set up a Saved Search the be like the “group” with which you wish to share the role. But it’s even better than that. A Saved Search can be based on a group. So if you have a group you need to use to share a role, simply make a Saved Search that includes nothing else but the group. Then share your role based on the Saved Search.
Although it’s a bit of a kludge, I use this trick all the time. I have a Saved Search that never goes away and the only criterion for the Saved Search is a group. And then I have a group that never goes away but where from time to time I change who is in the group. Works a charm.
I don’t use this trick for shared facts, but I do use it for copying facts. The copy fact dialog has the same limitation as the share role dialog in that you can copy a fact based on a Saved Search but not based on a group. Hence, I use this trick to copy facts. I put the people I want to receive the copy of the fact into the group and then I copy the fact based on the Saved Search. The Saved Search itself never changes, but I change the contents of the group which the Saved Search is referencing.
thejerrybryan,
see image, i wanna see if the marriage is a civil or a Religious , and i can do this only by a shared fact. to make to seperate fact name 1 Civil Marriage en 1 Religious then the Rootmagic don’t see it as a marriage date.
and fore screening automatic if i have by all my pedegree put in a civil and religious marrious would it be perfect for me if you can select the shared option for auto ad to a group en auto deselect of a group.
the same for the rest, i wanne see from all my pedegree (1 made a pedegree from all royalty from europe how they are connected. and for this, i want also see how much of these marriagese is Morganatic .
and every time one by one person in a group to ad, a long proces, while autoad and atodeselect with groups will be much more easy to work and make it better
I don’t have very many couples in my database who have both a Civil and a Religious marriage. I’m not sure what the best way to handle them is. For those who do have both kinds of marriages, I have been using the standard Marriage fact for both events. I then distinguish the events using the Note field for the Marriage events.
In most cases in my database, the legal framework around the Marriage event is designed so that the Religious event and the Civil event are one and the same event. Which is to say that ministers and priests and rabbis and other religious officiants are licensed to perform marriages in exactly the same way as are Justices of the Peace and Judges and other civil officiants. So a marriage performed by a religious officiant has legal force in civil law identical to the legal force for a marriage performed by a civil officiant. That’s why I have not needed to deal with this issue very much.
For the Marriage events in your screen shots, it appears that you have shared roles called Religious and Civil, and that you have shared these roles with the spouses. That’s an interesting way to show the distinction between Civil and Religious marriages. But your screen shot does not show any dates for the original Marriage event nor for the Civil and Religious roles. You need to enter the date in the original Marriage fact. Then the date will show up for the Marriage. If you do that, then the same date should show up for the Civil and Religious roles in the Edit Person screen. If you want those dates to show up in printed narrative reports, you would need to create a sentence for the Civil and Religious roles and be sure that the sentences you define include the [Date] variable.
It’s hard to see how using groups assists with this issue. The sharing of the roles is separate for each couple. Even if you made a group for all couples that had both Civil and Religious marriages, that wouldn’t help with the sharing of the Marriage fact for each separate couple.
Bear in mind that in many European countries clergy officiating at religious marriage ceremonies are not empowered to act as civil registrars, so that couples who want to have a religious ceremony must have a separate civil ceremony for the marriage to be legal.
I was not aware of that. Thanks for the info.
It makes me wonder if the structure of things like the Marriage fact in genealogy software might have been a bit different except that much genealogy software seems to take a fairly American viewpoint. It seems to me that the same American viewpoint in genealogy software is there for other data, such as for the way names of people handled and for the way place names are handled.
Yes agreed, interestingly Heredis, developed in France, have marriage, other types of marriage, marriage contracts and religious marriage as events. Using custom facts in RM could achieve the same thing.
A very small way of saying thank you for all that I have learned from you!
The problem with this is that if you created a custum marriage fact civil marriage fact religious Rootsmagic don’t see this as a marriage, the date from marriage keep empty
Tools>Fact Tools>Add or modify fact types>Run selected tool
Filter for or scroll the list to Marriage and click to select and highlight it.
Click Edit button then checkmark Use description field and click OK.
The Description field is now available to enter (record) Civil or Religious. Description as a field becomes available for Sentence templates and Roles can be added, ETC.
I’ve just tested this again and if you create a family fact type and opt to include the date field it shows up as a marriage (of the type created e.g civil marriage) in the individual summary and narrative report.
