Why can’t a place/location be edited from within an individual person’s details like could be done in previous versions of Roots Magic? I find it rather cumbersome to exit out of the “People” screen and have to go to the “Places” screen to make an edit/merge.
Gene Toler
Temple & Family History Leader
Scotchtown Ward
Richmond Virginia Stake
The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints
Questions about “why” can be answered only by the developers. But it seems to me that RM7 also didn’t have the ability to edit places in the Edit Person screen. So this change is not really new in RM8. The best I can remember, RM1 through RM3 did have this ability and RM4 through RM7 did not. I may have the exact version when the change took place wrong, but I’m pretty sure the ability did exist at some point and then was removed.
I can only speak for myself, but I think the change was a very good change. Prior to the change, there were too many cases where a user would make a change to a place in the Edit Person screen, expecting that the change to the place would only be for that one fact for that one person. The user would then discover that the change had been applied to all facts for all people who used that place, which was not what the user wished. It could be extremely difficult to recover from that sort of data entry problem. I personally would not want to be able to make global changes to the Place list from the Edit Person screen. It would be far too dangerous.
One thing that RM8 does make possible that previous versions did not was to be able to go straight from the Edit Person screen to the Places screen and back without losing your place in the Edit Person screen. Well, I think that capability is a little overstated even though it does exist. When you return to the main People tab from the main Places tab, the Edit Person screen will have popped under and it will appear to be gone. The Edit Person screen that appears to be gone can be recovered by clicking a little status bar down at the bottom of the screen. I think it would be much better if RM8 would pop the Edit Person screen back up for you automatically in this situation, but that’s not the way it works.
There’s no need to exist out of the Edit Person screen to fix it. You can leave the Edit Person still open, and go to the Place list to Edit or Merge Places. When you come back to the Edit Person screen move to a new row and come back and the place name will be refreshed to whatever you corrected. The other option is to just enter the corrected name if you entered it incorrectly earlier. Later when you have a chance go into the Place List and under the 3 dot menu select “Show unused places”. You can safely delete them then.
I have hundreds of unused places, quite a job to delete one after one.
I am calling here, as elsewhere in the program, for an opportunity to include everyone under one roof (global arrangement).
Sorry, but I don’t understand why you would have hundreds of unused places. I don’t have any at all. How would you end up with this situation?
I don’t understand what you mean either.
When you say “include everyone” do you mean “include every place”? And what exactly do you mean by “global arrangement”?
This means that one could delete all, in this case, all used places in one operation.
Global is often used to mean encompassing everyone.
Renee. You have earlier confirmed that we in RM7 had the opportunity to correct/merge direct at Edit Person screen.
Using the procedure as you now suggest is completely hopeless to use if you are working on FamilySearch Central and with new information for people there. If you then go to Places to correct/merge, it is such an impossibly long operation that is not worthy of RM.
I pray most fervently that the opportunity to correct is reinstated
/merge on the Edit Person screen. It cannot then be an impossible task.
I don’t think that’s correct. I think Renee’s comments were for RM8. RM7 did not have the opportunity to merge or make corrections globally at the Edit Person screen. You had to exit the Edit Person screen and go to Lists => Place List to do merges or global corrections. Upon exiting from the Place List, you would have to re-enter the Edit Person Screen.
In RM8, you still have to leave the Edit Person screen and go to the Place List to do merges or global corrections. You do so in RM8 by clicking on the main Places tab on the left side of the screen. The new feature in RM8 is that you don’t have to exit the Edit Person screen. You only have to leave the Edit Person screen by going directly to the Places screen. The idea is that when you then leave the Places screen by clicking on the main People tab on the left side of the screen you will then be back in the Edit Person screen. Except it doesn’t really work that way. The Edit Person screen will still be open, but it will have popped under the main People screen. You have to pop the Edit Person screen back up by clicking on a little status bar at the bottom of the screen before you can continue with the Edit Person process.
Whether it’s RM7 or RM8, you still have to leave the Edit Person screen and go to the Places screen to do merges or global corrections. And whether it’s RM7 or RM8, you can’t simply dismiss the Places screen and be back in the Edit Person screen. You have to take action to get back to the Edit Person screen. The action required to get from Edit Person to Places is different between RM7 and RM8. And the action required to get from Places back to Edit Person is different between RM7 and RM8.
I suspect what @karlief is talking about would be when you click the globe in the place field of a fact. Which took you to the place list where you could edit to your heart’s content. When done, you could select your place and in the click of the button be back in the edit person window. Sure, you actually left and went to the place list, but you got returned back to the edit window so it seemed like you did everything through the edit person window.
“What I was talking about is completely in RM8, after data has been imported. Are you saying that RM7 allowed you to merge places while still in the Family Search Person Tools?”
On 9th of June Renee answered:
“Yes, in RM7 you could Merge places from the Edit Person screen if opened inside the FamilySearch Person Tools. You would click on the Place icon in the place field and the Merge button was available. Same as outside the FSPT and simply on the Edit Person screen.
In RM8 the buttons that were available in RM7 when opening the Place List from the Edit Person screen are not currently there. They have been reported. On the plus side if you are outside of the FSPT you can simply go to the Places page and merge places there while leaving the Edit Person screen open.”
When I wrote Global, I meant in this case that you could delete all the several hundred unused places that I have all together and not have to delete one by one.
As far as I know, no version of RM has ever supported deleting all unused places all at one go.
I didn’t say that it did. If you read your post that I answered, I quoted the bit that I was responding to. It had to do with leaving the edit screen to go to the place screen…my assertion is that in RM7, you did truly leave the edit screen however the way it worked, it seems more like you didn’t leave. Hence that is probably what Karlief was talking about when he claimed he didn’t leave the people edit window.
Registered church records from Ancestry, MyHeritage and FamilySearch
In October 2020, many of the lists of baptized, ordained and buried from the church registers from 1815 onwards were searchable in the Digital Archive.
PUBLISHED: 2020-10-15 Share Print
In 2017, the National Archives entered into a partnership with Ancestry, MyHeritage and FamilySearch (AMF). Our partners invest a lot of time and resources in making Norwegian sources more accessible. The collaboration also contributes to important Norwegian sources being made more quickly available. This collaboration was started at the request of AMF, and not as a commission from the National Archives. Nor has the National Archives paid for these registrations.
The good collaboration the Swedish Archives already has with volunteers has made it possible to complete registration of church registers for the period 1801-1814. Now the efforts of Ancestry, MyHeritage and FamilySearch have supplemented the work the volunteers have done by registering the church registers after 1814.
The transcripts apply
baptized 1815-1920
consecrated 1815-1938
died and buried 1815-1927
We have registrations that extend further into the future, but these are blocked due to privacy concerns. Read more about blocking rules when registering church records on our website
Church registers that still lack registration
Not all registrations from the AMF are published. There can be various reasons for this.
If there was already a registration carried out by volunteers at the Digital Archive from this time period, we have not published the registration from AMF.
There are also some church registers which are being registered by volunteers, but which are not yet finished. These will be completed and posted on the Digital Archive in due course. We have therefore chosen not to publish the registration from AMF for these church books. This is because we want to avoid having multiple registrations from the same source/list type as much as possible.
There are also church records that were scanned and published on the Digital Archive after AMF started its work. These church books have not been sent to AMF for registration.
Reporting of errors and deficiencies
It is natural that there will be errors and possibly deficiencies in these registrations. The possibility to report errors and deficiencies in this material is no longer possible.
Unfortunately, the National Archives does not have the resources to proofread the registered material. However, it has been opened up so that others who wish to proofread a source/list type can do so. We would greatly appreciate such proofreading being carried out, as this will help to increase the quality of the published material. Those who wish to contribute with such proofreading are encouraged to read more about this on our website
Down is a screenshot of where I want to make changes to all three facts. Using Renee’s advice to go to Places and correct/merge, I have to remember the three cases (Not so easy) to work with, and search for them. (Not so easy). Surely that's not how we want it in a modern family program?
To elaborate on this further. For the past three years, I have mostly worked at FamilySearch Central, where some time ago there were approx. 2000-3000 people where there was new information and with whom I worked. For special reasons that have their background in newly digitized copies (with an incredible amount of errors) of Norwegian church books, the mentioned number was increased to approx. 98,000.
If you know how to get to Places, then it’s such a big operation that you just don’t do it. Then you correct directly, and then a lot of used place names arise.
If you want to read about the mentioned digitized Norwegian church books, look further below.
Registered church records from Ancestry, MyHeritage and FamilySearch
In October 2020, many of the lists of baptized, ordained and buried from the church registers from 1815 onwards were searchable in the Digital Archive.
PUBLISHED: 2020-10-15 Share Print
In 2017, the National Archives entered into a partnership with Ancestry, MyHeritage and FamilySearch (AMF). Our partners invest a lot of time and resources in making Norwegian sources more accessible. The collaboration also contributes to important Norwegian sources being made more quickly available. This collaboration was started at the request of AMF, and not as a commission from the National Archives. Nor has the National Archives paid for these registrations.
The good collaboration the Swedish Archives already has with volunteers has made it possible to complete registration of church registers for the period 1801-1814. Now the efforts of Ancestry, MyHeritage and FamilySearch have supplemented the work the volunteers have done by registering the church registers after 1814.
The transcripts apply
baptized 1815-1920
consecrated 1815-1938
died and buried 1815-1927
We have registrations that extend further into the future, but these are blocked due to privacy concerns. Read more about blocking rules when registering church records on our website
Church registers that still lack registration
Not all registrations from the AMF are published. There can be various reasons for this.
If there was already a registration carried out by volunteers at the Digital Archive from this time period, we have not published the registration from AMF.
There are also some church registers which are being registered by volunteers, but which are not yet finished. These will be completed and posted on the Digital Archive in due course. We have therefore chosen not to publish the registration from AMF for these church books. This is because we want to avoid having multiple registrations from the same source/list type as much as possible.
There are also church records that were scanned and published on the Digital Archive after AMF started its work. These church books have not been sent to AMF for registration.
Reporting of errors and deficiencies
It is natural that there will be errors and possibly deficiencies in these registrations. The possibility to report errors and deficiencies in this material is no longer possible.
Unfortunately, the National Archives does not have the resources to proofread the registered material. However, it has been opened up so that others who wish to proofread a source/list type can do so. We would greatly appreciate such proofreading being carried out, as this will help to increase the quality of the published material. Those who wish to contribute with such proofreading are encouraged to read more about this on our website
thejerrybryan:
We are completely aligned here.
As mentioned earlier, I would like a global solution here and also on some other pages to save time.
You may be aligned, however I don’t foresee such a thing occurring any time in the near future, assuming your “global solution” is mass deletion of unused places. I am not certain why you think you have to remember all three facts. If you have the same error in three places, then editing the the place one time will correct all three. Any edit to a place will reflect in all facts that use that place.
Have a closer look at my three places. That is three different places and NOT the same error. There will after a correction still be three different places. As you know I then have to look up these places in the Place list each after one to correct them.
It is in my and probably most other people’s interest to have a certain standard for place descriptions. If not, there will be a jumble of place names to deal with.
No, it is your responsibility to enter the data correctly the first time. You elected to enter three different places, and presumably later changed then to correct places…so it is your responsibility to clean up. In your example above, all three places are in use, so they should not be showing as unused places. In order to clean those up, you can simply click the Places tab, click the three dots in the upper corner, select 'Revere Places. They will all sort as ‘Norway, Rogaland…’. Al grouped together, and one easy merge, all at the same time.
It seems to me that you haven’t quite followed the thread of my posts. These three with incorrect addresses come from transmission via FamilySearch Central. After the transport to RM8, I then want to correct these three other races. I can then do that directly, but then three unused location addresses appear in isolation. As I have elaborated earlier, it is quite a process to get from the mentioned FS Central to Places and back to FS Central and to find the right person there. Try it yourself!
For me, this is the end of this discussion.