# Master Source Definition
**URL:** https://community.rootsmagic.com/t/master-source-definition/7089
**Category:** RootsMagic
**Tags:** question
**Created:** [March 30, 2023, 12:46am UTC](https://community.rootsmagic.com/t/master-source-definition/7089 "2023-03-30T00:46:12Z")
**Posts on this page:** 12
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### Author:  [@AlanH](https://community.rootsmagic.com/u/AlanH)
#### Post date: [March 30, 2023, 12:46am UTC](https://community.rootsmagic.com/t/master-source-definition/7089/1 "2023-03-30T00:46:13Z")
Just trying to understand exactly what a master source is.
For example, a newspaper cutting for which a copy is held on FindMyPast or ancestry etc.
Is the master source the newspaper itself (eg The Times) or is it FindMyPast.
Thanks
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### Author:  [@KimberlyGreen](https://community.rootsmagic.com/u/KimberlyGreen)
#### Post date: [March 30, 2023, 1:48am UTC](https://community.rootsmagic.com/t/master-source-definition/7089/2 "2023-03-30T01:48:02Z")
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> **Source List** - This term refers to the master list of all sources you are using for a particular research project
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> **Master Source** - This term is used in many database management programs to refer to individual items in your Source List. Typically, a Master Source is a simplified citation. Once you choose it from your Source List to create a Reference Note, you amplify that Master Source with details that relate to that particular instance under discussion. _Evidence Explained_ occassionally uses the term in this context.
The above are the definitions provided by _Evidence Explained_, Third Edition by Elizabeth Shown Mills on page 46.
Myself, and some others, don’t consider places like Ancestry, FindMyPast, etc to be true sources. They’re just repositories, in the same way that a physical library is a repository. They aren’t originating any information, just storing and presenting it. (Granted, in the case of a service like Ancestry, they do occassionally produce original information in the form of their own data indices.)
Others take the counter perspective and treat whatever place they get the information as a source in its own right.
How you view sources will shape how you treat the “Master Source” templates in RM.
If, for example, you do an Ancestry TreeSync, RM will treat Ancestry as a source and use a source template called ‘Ancestry Record’ as it creates the various facts and related citations. That, in turn, affects how the Footnotes, and the sources they cite, appear.
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### Author:  [@kbens0n](https://community.rootsmagic.com/u/kbens0n)
#### Post date: [March 30, 2023, 1:49am UTC](https://community.rootsmagic.com/t/master-source-definition/7089/3 "2023-03-30T01:49:45Z")
> [@AlanH](#):
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> Is the master source the newspaper itself (eg The Times)
This is how I classify it (unless it’s a reprint of some other source). FindMyPast is a repository. The town library where the newspaper was published is a repository. Etc.
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### Author:  [@AlanH](https://community.rootsmagic.com/u/AlanH)
#### Post date: [March 30, 2023, 10:04am UTC](https://community.rootsmagic.com/t/master-source-definition/7089/4 "2023-03-30T10:04:43Z")
Thank you both. That is exactly what I was thinking.
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### Author:  [@Handy](https://community.rootsmagic.com/u/Handy)
#### Post date: [March 30, 2023, 12:04pm UTC](https://community.rootsmagic.com/t/master-source-definition/7089/5 "2023-03-30T12:04:20Z")
For your consideration:
- Master Source is the origination of the physical evidence, i.e. The Times newspaper.
- The repository is the archive of the physical evidence.
- The digital publication of the copy of physical evidence are the online platforms like Findmypast, Ancestry.
I think it is important not to confuse repository versus publication, i.e. physical versus digital content. Anyway, that is the system I use. From a purely digital perspective, then a digital repository can also be a digital publisher, but that is not always the case. As always, there are no absolutes just guidelines that one must interpret that best fits for yourself.
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### Author:  [@AlanH](https://community.rootsmagic.com/u/AlanH)
#### Post date: [March 30, 2023, 8:41pm UTC](https://community.rootsmagic.com/t/master-source-definition/7089/6 "2023-03-30T20:41:48Z")
Thank you Handy for your post
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### Author:  [@AlanH](https://community.rootsmagic.com/u/AlanH)
#### Post date: [March 30, 2023, 8:50pm UTC](https://community.rootsmagic.com/t/master-source-definition/7089/7 "2023-03-30T20:50:22Z")
I think I will go for the Master Source as the newspaper itself, followed by the library or online digital source as a repository.
Thanks all.
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### Author:  [@KimberlyGreen](https://community.rootsmagic.com/u/KimberlyGreen)
#### Post date: [March 30, 2023, 9:00pm UTC](https://community.rootsmagic.com/t/master-source-definition/7089/8 "2023-03-30T21:00:59Z")
> [@AlanH](#):
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> I think I will go for the Master Source as the newspaper itself
You’re welcome Alan.
You’ll probably end up having to create your own Source templates to get things just the way you like them. (You can’t modify the built-in templates, but you can copy them and modify the copies.)
By the way, you might also want to consider if it’s the entire newspaper publisher that you consider a source, or the specific _edition_ that you consider the source. It will affect the quantity and flexibility of your citation scheme.
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### Author:  [@kfunk](https://community.rootsmagic.com/u/kfunk)
#### Post date: [March 30, 2023, 9:09pm UTC](https://community.rootsmagic.com/t/master-source-definition/7089/9 "2023-03-30T21:09:55Z")
> [@AlanH](#):
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> followed by the library or online digital source as a repository
Personally, I don’t feel a need to provide a repository. My template gives the city and state and the newspaper name, the edition, the page and the column numbers as well as the person of interest. If someone wants to double check and they can’t figure out how to find the Ottumwa, IA Courier or the Des Moines, IA Register then that is on them.
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### Author:  [@KimberlyGreen](https://community.rootsmagic.com/u/KimberlyGreen)
#### Post date: [March 30, 2023, 9:16pm UTC](https://community.rootsmagic.com/t/master-source-definition/7089/10 "2023-03-30T21:16:39Z")
> [@kfunk](#):
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> I don’t feel a need to provide a repository.
I include repository information, not so much for future readers as for me.
Taking the long view, it’s pretty certain that whatever repository gets referenced won’t be available in future decades. Databases change, collections get moved, etc.
But for the shorter term, I like having the repository information handy so that it’s easier to quickly go back to it if I need to. I _do_ download images, etc. But sometimes it might be desirable to go back and look at some things before or after that particular spot.
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### Author:  [@kfunk](https://community.rootsmagic.com/u/kfunk)
#### Post date: [March 30, 2023, 9:42pm UTC](https://community.rootsmagic.com/t/master-source-definition/7089/11 "2023-03-30T21:42:54Z")
I can think of at least 5 different repositories that have the above mentioned newspapers. Pretty certain I will remember if I need to. I also acquire images or photocopies or prints from microfilm.
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### Author:  [@smmatteson](https://community.rootsmagic.com/u/smmatteson)
#### Post date: [January 29, 2024, 2:29am UTC](https://community.rootsmagic.com/t/master-source-definition/7089/12 "2024-01-29T02:29:02Z")
I’ve been working with the Evidence Explained model and a full reference note should point you back to where you found the information.
A recent example (for a RI town record found on FS) I worked through is:
West Greenwich, Rhode Island, “The Registery [sic] of Births, Marriages and Burials in West Greenwich, No. 1,” p. 119, Abraham Matteson family registration showing son Thomas born 23 Sep 1756; imaged at _FamilySearch_ ([FamilySearch.org](https://www.familysearch.org/search/film004250580) : accessed 19 January 2024) \> Image Group Number (IGN) 4250580 \> image 70.
With this info anyone can go to the original document. To get that into RM, I had to customize the full and short citation sentences.
(Then copy and paste the citation for other items in that source. )